Comments on the forum e r n e s t o. g u e v a r a. c o m
February 20 2005
[Note: Understanding of this article depends on an understanding
of Internet persynalities in certain discussion forums.]
mim3 for MIM: I doubt that 95% of the folks here
are going to do anything for Ward Churchill,
and that pretty much sums up what has happened here.
With the exception of "Cassius Clay" who went
through brutal struggle and self-criticism, and
maybe a couple others, most here think
crucifixion is criticism of neo-Nazi Internet
character "Berserk," not what is
happening to Ward Churchill. While some people easily
say that they changed their minds two weeks ago, this
board predominantly congeals around fascism and is
pig-headed about it.
Mind you, neo-Nazis and Liberal Mensheviks have about
equal chances of getting on the road of the international
proletariat, but when we think of the promise that used
to be in a group of people upholding Stalin,
and the unity that promised, it's pretty
evident there has been a huge setback, exactly along the
lines MIM identified previously in its discussion of
the "Che-Lives" forum, and other discussion board
spin-offs such as Socialist Front, "Po Fo," "Soviet Empire,"
the short-lived "What Is to Be Done" and now Ernesto Guevara.
There seemed to be potential for a struggle to fly
the banner of Stalin and Mao--a few years ago, but
a combination of die-hard fascist activists which
MIM identified years ago, Liberal Mensheviks
protecting and coddling them, and of course the
usual cops and total illiterates derailed the
potential of Malte's error of booting people from
Che-Lives, now renamed "Revolutionary Left."
The white utopians and Liberals--especially
Internet character "RAF" and "1949" to a lesser degree--allowed the youth
here to think that eugenics and other neo-Nazi ideas could be a good thing and thus
"RAF" and "1949" became obstacles to the struggle,
though it was in black-and-white that some here
were always sympathizers of neo-Nazis and FBI
informers. See discussion of
the "Red Comrades" and neo-Nazi fashion of admiring Stalin.
For many months at a time we gave the Liberal
Mensheviks at Che-Lives etc. their chance in this
milieu without any intervention by us. Now we see
where it has all gone.
MIM asked people to make hard decisions
based on what is available in print, and too few
were up to the challenge. We can only mention "Cassius Clay" and "Che y Marijuana"
(to a lesser degree) as having dealt with the problem in black-and-white, though
others may yet take action. Now the "E G" board is overrun with neo-Nazi
ideas, especially of the Limonov, National Bolshevik Party type--the descendants
of Hitler's one-time #2, Strasser.
Some bought into ad hominem attacks on myself as
their excuse for why they are now spouting neo-
Nazi ideas or letting others spout them uncriticized.
Others are starting to see that this board
is composed of people who are what MIM said all along;
yet they are very likely too late to do anything for many here.
Allowing youth to harbor fascist ideas for years at a
time is not helpful. People marvelled when I said long ago that I would purge
Berserk from some board if I could, so there could be
a discussion among the advanced. Starting the whole argument
by saying I "mishandled" Cassius Clay, RAF at "WITBD" managed to
sabotage a discussion among communists so that Berserk could
have free speech. So it ended up the communists had none
and Berserk has the run of places like the "Phora" and
"E G." Based on what did I make that comment about purging
Berserk they wondered at the time. Now we see with Berserk
openly defending "final solution," Limonov and Mussolini.
It all reminds me a lot about the struggle over marx2mao.org
People wondered why we did not release our sources on that,
and now we can see that with documents in front of them
about people admitting to fascist ideas and FBI informing,
the Liberal Mensheviks simply cannot make a revolutionary
decision. It goes to vindicate MIM entirely for not releasing
sources and not trusting the swamp's ability to judge.
Those that do know better (not RAF and not many in certain
organizations) stand back in patronizing silence, wondering why
MIM risks its reputation explaining things as if people could
actually understand them. Why doesn't MIM learn to patronize
people, they wonder.
We can be quite sure that many people here would believe a
CIA payroll stub a forgery before they believed there might
be enemies.
I'm going to say it one more time. Try to deal with reality:
look at the struggle with Cassius Clay and how it turned out
regarding "Red Comrades." Now look at Berserk, Mazdak, Red
Skyscraper, Ixabert, Iron Felix etc. and where they are going. How did
RAF's patronizing and Liberal/Menshevik coddling benefit these people?
Cassius Clay was not "mishandled." He was the only one in "Red Comrades"
circles handled correctly. RAF mishandled Mazdak, Ixabert, Red Skyscraper, Iron Felix
and others lurking in the wings, and thanks to the Liberal Menshevik line
and ad hominem attacks spread by RAF and the like, neo-Nazism has gained
its foothold.
How did the stand-offish/sectarian attitude of organizations hostile to MIM
working with RAF
help? Is it really so humynitarian to allow people to get off the road
of Lenin, Stalin and Mao and fall for Limonov? Has hard-ass mim3 been right or not?
The evidence is staring people in the face, but they refuse to judge it.
The benefit of Internet is that we can see in hindsight through
a common perception of documents who was right and who was wrong.
It's difficult to share practice with people in Manila or even Atlanta,
but we can now all see the results here--with the ISF, WITBD, RL
and now this board. Yes, our comrades in Manila are even to blame for
what is happening here. They've influenced people in a certain direction
regarding the "masses," despite imperialist country conditions. Yet if they
really cared about what is happening in the imperialist countries and spent
the time, the common practice and documents are available--yes, on the Internet,
distressing as that it is to some troglodytes.
One last point, talking about leadership. Though there are large numbers
of Liberal Menshevik recruiters in the forums, the neo-Nazi phenomenon only
grows in those same forums. "Red Comrades" runs circles around these Liberal
Mensheviks, who cannot perceive what MIM told them.
Some of you spitting on our line
originally but coming around to MIM's
position on what is happening on these boards need to come clean.
Others, if you can see clear to abandoning the neo-Nazi ideas we still
have hope for followers of Stalin. Self-criticism is not as bad as Iron
Felix makes out.
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